I'll admit I'm here with a some real trepidation. Y'all aren't always nice to each other; and the way you've turned my life upside down and inside out is beyond description. Tom promised I'd be safe, and I trust him to do as he said. If I'm hounded, I'll leave.

I do have a few points to make: stop digging into MY life. I can’t stop you from rummaging around in my late husbands life, but this is (supposedly) about him, not me — so stop. Please. There was a post (which Tom removed at my request) where someone claimed to know why we didn’t have children (who are you and do I know you???). There were posts about knocking on my door, which gave me sleepless nights. Now there’s a post about how I had 3 miscarriages. One, that’s not me; two, why in the world would you share something like that? I’m sure when this lady posted her comment, she never envisioned the way the internet would evolve, and that millions of people would read about her pain; let alone that it would be discussed on a board about a serial killer. I hope she never finds out about this board and your post. Some subjects you should really leave alone.

Now I’ll try to set a few things straight and then we’ll see what happens. I can’t possibly answer all of your questions — I have other things to do in my life. Let’s start with the most recent kerfuffle: Mcc6050. This is neither my late husband nor myself.

The post about the “Cat Who” mystery books, that was me. I was, and am, a mystery reader. Mac never was. He read non-fiction, mostly WWII history. The only time he read a fictional book was when I forced him to read “Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows.” The movie was due out, and rather than have him constantly ask me what was going on (if you’ve both read the books and watched the movies you likely understand), I told him to read the book. He did.

I don’t remember who found the ad about my old Singer Touchtronic sewing machine, but thanks for the trip down memory lane. I’d forgotten I placed the ad in the SactoBee. That was a real workhorse of a sewing machine and I wish I’d kept it.

I know you want handwriting samples. Sorry. If LE wants them, they can contact me. I’m not about to hand you more stuff to twist and turn—something all of you are good at.

The cousin in Deer Lodge: Mac’s dad may have known, or known about, this cousin, but M didn’t. I don’t believe M’s mom did either. My reason: his mom gave me an extensive invitation/announcement list for our wedding that had well over 300 names on it, and these folks were NOT on either list. You’ll have to trust my memory at this point, but there you have it.

The code book. Oh good grief. Give it a rest people. Originally purchased used, likely around 2000 [NOTE: blog date was incorrect], because he was reading a bunch of WWII codebreaker books & about Bletchley (sp?) in England. He read bits, and shoved it on his shelf. I purchased the replacement after we were in Oregon because he couldn’t find his copy [hadn’t bothered to unpack those boxes]. Time frame would have been around 2009-2011. Because y’all think it’s weird that he asked me to buy the replacement for him I did so because for years the Amazon acct was mine, and he wasn’t on it. He wanted nothing to do with online ordering of any kind. I placed lots of orders for him. It’s not evil, or controlling, it was funny and I did it out of love. Oh, he wanted the replacement because he and his best friend (now deceased, don’t bother hunting him down) were both WWII nuts and they were talking about codes and the code breakers, and they wanted to research something. It’s not an evil anything.

The “guilt” box: I'm really sorry I ever used a public blog to work through my grief, and I hope I'm not sorry for posting here. This was a moving box, and apparently I packed it with some books and other things that he had left on the table to be packed. Contents were some older computer books [as in MSWord help books, help books for his art programs, etc], plus a bunch of junk, and my cookbook. The box was coded for & by me, so I opened it, found my cookbook, and all his stuff. That’s when I wrote MAC all over the box with a big black marker. Then I took the red marker and wrote GUILT on it. IT WAS A JOKE, because he had well over 3 dozen boxes in the garage that were unpacked—and you could barely move in our garage. I was trying to encourage him to unpack those boxes, or at least move them out of the way. Didn’t work, and after he passed away some guys from church helped me unpack the boxes. BTW, y’all seem to think M then “hid” the box in the garage. He didn’t. One of us, and I don’t remember which one of us, put it on a stack with a bunch of other boxes, and there it sat. It was shuffled around with lots of other boxes to make room for this and that, and there was NOTHING evil or wrong or guilty in the way he ignored the box—he ignored ALL those boxes. He had NO CLUE the original copy of the book was in that box, otherwise he wouldn’t have had me purchase another copy.

That’s enough for now. Thank you, Tom, for watching out for me.

Definitively? Wow. One of you would have to pose the ONE question, and I'd do my best to answer it. I've read a lot of the lists of "facts" and can say that y'all have twisted so many things to fit your scenario, and I have no clue how to untangle the mess. Plus the "facts" are about 98% wrong. How do I dispute all of that?

PS: love your sewing machine. I'd love to have one like that.

Mac's enjoyment was in Photoshop, games, and Linux code -- which came about because he discovered he could code some games in Linux and transfer them to his Macintosh. The low profile wasn't a conscious act of "you can't track me down" in a nefarious manner, it was largely because of his job and wanting to keep a low profile for safety due to his job.

Part of that time he was living in another state. The rest of the time he lived with his folks and worked in Vallejo and/or Contra Costa county. He moved to Vacaville very early in 1972, Jan or Feb, shortly after he began working for CA Corrections.

My honest opinion is that when you see large samples, no, the handwriting is not similar. It's not in the same ballpark, as you said. I look and know it's not Mac. Again, I'm biased, just as many of you are.

Shoe size: he wore a 7.5 when we got married, wore an 8.5 wide by the time of his death.

No, neither of ever watched the movie, and the only discussion I remember was early on when we were dating and my mother wanted to make it clear that Mac was not to drive us out to where the zodiac had killed people. As a family, there was a short discussion, a lot of laughing, and that was that.

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Okay, too many posts. Let me try to crunch them together:

@morf13: I’m surprised y’all didn’t find his starting date with CA corrections, but it was Nov. 1971. I’m hesitant to tell you when and where out of state due to the example y’all have set, and I will likely regret this, but he was in college in South Dakota. I can’t give you exact dates. Contra Costa: I know he worked for a hardware store, plus he sold insurance. I can’t tell you more than that about either one because 1) it wasn’t important to me, so I let it slip from my memory and 2) I long ago (like when we moved to Oregon) shredded all the tax papers and such that would have the information, so I can’t look it up. When I moved out of Oregon, a friend took all the school degrees and such and burned them for me. Before everyone gets into a frenzy — I knew nothing about any of this when I moved.

@chriscrozzz: Mac never lived in SF.

@milanyzodiac: no, I don’t think either of those sketches look like Mac.

@morf13: Mac was 5’ 8”, weighed around 150lbs when we met. The Tagerts: they lived 2 or 3 doors away from us, but I only know this because of what I’ve read here, so I looked them up. We didn’t get married and move near them. We started, like a lot of couples, in Mac’s apartment, then got our own apartment, then a house on the NE side of town, and after a few years we moved to the same street as the Tagert’s. FWIW, we had a realtor who scouted out houses and then showed them to us. Neither of us had a clue who lived in the houses around any of the homes we considered.

I’ll think about sending some samples to Tom.

It’s been stated that Mac was a hunter, but he wasn’t. If he had a hunting license, I’d be shocked and you’d have to show it to me. He kept all those things and I never found an old hunting license in his collection, just his fishing licenses.

I learned about this thread from a couple of posts at Twitter on 6/16/21. The letter from Morf is postmarked 6/14/21.

Again, I've not been contacted by LE.

PS: to @MrLowe … do I know you from somewhere else?

You would have to show me the lease for me to believe that information. Mac never, absolutely never, used "Mac" in anything like a lease, agreement, etc. He was Mac to friends and family, but used his legal name on all documents. Please show me the rental agreement.

No, and I wish I did because I'd love to hear his voice again.

@Morf13: Mac never minded being photographed or recorded. Remember, this was the days before smart phones and folks didn't have video cameras available to their finger tips. It's possible that someone might have a video/audio of Mac, but I'm not aware of any; and I think that after his death, his friends/family would have offered me a copy. They all sent me (and still do) photos of him. I know there was video of him as a kid, but it didn't have audio. His dad had it, and one day he went on a tear and threw it all out. I don't know why; but my mom did the same thing right after my dad died. So chalk it up to grief.

Thanks for the clipping. I'd have to know who put all of that together and see more of it before I believe it. I know that he lived with his folks during those years, so why would he have an apartment in SF?

@STUDent_777: Yes, he did all those graphics y'all uncovered, including the mysterious oak tree. LOL He did a lot of graphics for his job as well. The only cards he made were for me. I bought cards for the rest of our family & friends.

Okay, I spent hours searching (and it's the last time I'll do this): try University of South Dakota, Graduate Program, Fall-Winter 1967.

Okay, I typed a post and it's disappeared. I'll try this again.

Stop baiting each other, and stop replying to the baiting. If I can come here and ignore it, y'all should be able to do the same. I'm here to try to assist in proving to all of you that my late husband is not the monster some of you think he was, so let's stick to that and forget the foul language, insults, pettiness, and arguing.

Now, I'll see if I can remember what I had typed ...

College in SD: name of college is correct, but he was there longer than just a few months. Maybe a year? I don't remember. Y'all are capable of researching, so research. ;)

Someone asked if Mac was left or right handed: he was a leftie.

I don't have any photos of Mac from that time frame. His parents had those, and as I've said, in a fit of grief after Mac's mom died, his dad got rid of all the family photos and most of the memorabilia.

I know I'm forgetting something, sorry. Oh, I did find a handwritten paper that isn't personal, and I'll contact @TomVoight and get an address to send it to so he can look it over.

I think that's enough. Please try to play nice. The world is an ugly enough place without all of this.

There's no evidence of him being AT the attacks, just speculation based on “coincidences.”

I’ll send a sample to Tom; and if I ever come across any photos I will send them to Tom.

Please show me hard evidence of both of these. Screen captures don’t cut it when I can’t see the “evidence.” Plus his name is misspelled in the ancestry screen capture you shared. Who put all that together? What other mistakes have been made?

I’ve already said that there aren’t any of his shoes left. Who keeps old shoes for over 7 years? I had to look up wingwalkers, and all I can say is that in over 40years I never saw Mac wear boots and there were never any in the closet—but again you’d have to take my word for it.

He would have worked in CC County after graduating from Chico. It was a major hardware store, so likely an Ace. Insurance companies would have been Prudential and New York Life.

I’ll say that nothing you have dug up and posted convinces me that Mac was the zodiac killer. To quote you,

“That's just the way it is.”

Watch? Kinda, sorta.  We were in Sacramento one day, it was roasting hot, the theater was air-conditioned and neither of us had seen the movie before. I spent most of the time with my eyes closed.   Mac watched it to a point, and then said, "Let's go, I've had enough." So we left and went walking in an air-conditioned mall. Neither of us slept well that night. Definitely not our kind of movie. I'd ask what this has to do with the zodiac, but I don't want to know.

Look for information on the school radio station, or it might have been a small town station near the college.

I thought I'd answered this, but the answer is no, neither of us were in the Eureka area in Dec. 1990. The only time we were up in that area was when we bought the property.

It was long after the movie came out as in a re-re-re-re-release, and the theater was maybe half full. Middle of the day and all of us trying to escape the oppressive heat outside. We picked it out of curiosity, and because there wasn't any other movies playing that we either hadn't seen, or wanted to see. Except for the cool air, it was a waste of time and money.

Well, isn't that ... interesting? Neither of us laughed. And I realize this is only my word, but that wasn't written by Mac.

I'm sure I've replied to this at least twice, but one more time ... ;) ... No I do not know Chester Klingel. The only folks that Mac and/or I knew from Eureka were the property owners we bought the lot from, and the realtor who handled the transaction.

Baseball: I'm the fan, and it's GIANTS all the way. Mac was a gem though, and he would buy tickets and we'd go to games at Candlestick quite often. He wasn't into youth sports at all.

Let me correct you: I met Mac in 1974, although I met a lot of his family in 1973.

Okay, I've waded through a lot of trash and I'm tired of it all. I am going to post answers to questions from 2 folks, and then I'm done. It's obvious that I cannot prove that Mac wasn't the zodiac to your satisfaction, but none of you -- NONE -- can prove that he was. You continually get things mixed up, ask me the same question over and over, and then argue and bicker like little children. Good grief. My grandson and his pals play nicer together then all of you.

For what it's worth, I'm attaching 2 photos of the papers with his grades from U of SD. One shows date, the other the address he was living it. These may or may not help you. Personally, I no longer care.

As to speaking to @morf13 privately: I don't trust you well enough to do that. I might -- might -- consider an email exchange between you, myself and @TomVoigt (if he's willing); but there's no way I'm exchanging letters or phone calls with you, nor do I wish to meet up for coffee to discuss all of this. If you want to send me the info on the LE officer that might wish to talk with me, feel free.

Of course. ;). It was a Toyota.

@NeonRust  asked:

No, other then we spent a lot of time fishing at Lake Berryessa, but it was close to us and a great fishing hole. Mac fished at either Lake Berryessa or Putah Creek, he never mentioned fishing at any other local spots. I don't know anything about a Presidio Heights murder site.

Aware of them? Sure, a couple of them. You couldn’t be alive back in the 1960s-1970s and not know “about” them, but he wasn’t a fan, nor did he have an obsession, or whatever you’re trying to dig out. I used to listen to Jim Dunbar, and we both read Herb Caen's column.

No

HAHAHA … no, and the story of how he shut down our house installing an electric switch will remain mine. HAHAHA

No to both.

He was in corrections, and a pal got him to join the CMF pistol team, so that's where his big interest in guns came from.

Yes, he was 5ft 8inches throughout our marriage.

No, he never wrote to newspapers, magazines, etc.; and after he died I never found anything like this in his papers from before we were married.

Not sure what this has to do with anything, but he loved the Marx brothers humor. He, and our 3 sons-in-the-faith (which I know many of you think is a huge joke) used to watch the old Marx brothers movies and laugh and laugh. I would leave the house. I’ve answered about the Mikado.

No.

No.

I received a PM with some questions. Rather than answer privately and eventually have to answer publicly, here are the Qs&As. I’ll leave the name of the person private unless they wish to speak up.

Economics. The church my parents belonged to wanted a huge fee to use their facility. Mac’s parents were members of the Presbyterian church, and his mom was really active in the women’s ministries, so we were able to use the Presbyterian church for a very minimal fee.

Mac was always super supportive of the police, and had a lot of friend who were LE or retired LE. He never mentioned wanting to be a police officer, and I’ve shared before that his job with corrections was a family “in” and he never meant for it to be permanent.

He told me, his parents told me, and I’ve seen papers.

He/We fished at Lake Berryessa and Putah Creek.

Went to class in Sacramento (Golden Gate) and forget to put his works shoes in his car. There wasn’t time to go home, so he wound up wearing his sneakers for his shift at work. His Lt. gave him the nickname and it stuck.

More like Super Mario Bros, plus other odd games that were available for both Linux and MacOS. He never played word/puzzle games.

PS to the person who asked these questions, you’re most welcome and I appreciate your kind words.

No. After he retired, he thought it would be fun to sew a kite, so I sat him down at my sewing machine and within 15 minutes he was so frustrated that he went back out into the garage and worked on a wood carving project.

Oh gads. I know his folks owned a car with a weird name, but it totally escapes me at this point as I’d never heard of it before. Neither he nor his dad ever owned an American made car. When we met Mac had a Toyota.

Nope. I knew he’d read comics, but I’m surprised that he read “true-crime” magazines. I’d have to talk to his so-called-pals to get more info.

He occasionally attended Lodge meetings with his dad, but his big involvement came after we got married.

Not at this point.

I think I’ve answered this, but no. My mom brought it up once in an embarrassing way, as in don’t take my daughter out to any of the lovers lanes where the zodiac roamed. HAHA

I’m going to step in here and defend @TomVoigt  — not that he needs defending. I shared that bit of printing from my late-husband knowing full well it would wind up all over the internet; and Tom double checked with me to make sure I was comfortable with this printing being shared, and I told him yes.

I can’t think of greater words from my beloved to share with the world. They are sweet and tender words from a wonderful man and they were true throughout 40+ years we were together.

I realize that all of you want more, more, MORE of his printing, but I don’t have anything else, so y’all need to learn to be thankful with what you have and stop complaining.

That brings me to why I’ve not kept on answering questions: this forum is toxic. None of you can behave. It’s always another dig at someone, or a rude comment (oh I’ve read the things that some of you posted early on, and I had to deal with the garbage you posted on my former blogs, Twitter feed, sent in PM’s at my former FB account, etc.). I didn’t back away because of any one person — it was ALL OF YOU that drove me away—and agin, in Tom’s defense, he is a good moderator, so stop telling him to do this or that. It’s not his fault that y’all misbehave faster than he could possible begin to delete posts.

To those who have sent me PM’s that you’re on my side, or giving me advise, thanks. I won’t be answering PM’s, but I read them when I have time. If I get too many, I’ll just ignore them. I’m really good at ignoring.

Now, I hate to put the burden on Tom, but if you have serious questions, that I haven’t already answered, send them to Tom and I’ll either pop on here and post a reply or I’ll send the answers to Tom. I simply don’t want to wade through all the garbage y’all post over and over and over. Give it a rest, people.

That was a mistake. He meant Proverbs 31:24-26. Yes, he often signed notes "McDuff”.

I think y'all have resolved this, but that is NOT Mac in the bottom right hand photo.

My confidence is 100% sure that Mac isn't the zodiac. ;)

No, he didn’t.

This is one of the problems here.  I never said he lived in Contra Costa county. I said he worked in Contra Costa county.

Yes. He lived with his folks.

I’ve been gone for a few days, but I’ll try to catch up with all the questions. If I miss your question, please repost it. It’s hard to wade through everything that is here. So here are six (6) answers…

1. Proverbs: There was a reference to rock badgers and other things. Seriously?!? Take another look and this time try Proverbs 31, not 30. Makes a HUGE difference. You could even keep it at Proverbs 3:24-26 as those verses are special to me, and if Mac was referencing them, it was for me. I am NOT going to explain to y’all why those verses are precious to me, as it’s very, very personal and stems from years before I met Mac. It has nothing to do with zodiac, or cryptic clues, or any such thing. Or use Proverbs 31 and realize he was sharing precious verses about a godly woman. Use either chapter 3 or 31, but not 30, and stop all this stuff.

2. Apartment: I recently read a comment about Mac living in an apartment behind his parents business? I’m confused as to what you think was taking place. There was an apartment attached to the Tuolumne Street business, and the entire family lived there — all 3 of them. There was a shop on the property where Mac’s dad kept all his tools and equipment, but no one lived in it. So if that’s what you were referring to, you’ve got it all wrong.

3. The past: I’ve also seen comments that I only know what Mac told me about the past, with the implication that he would have hidden things. Again, you’re wrong. I learned a great deal about Mac, his schooling, his jobs, etc, from his parents, his one aunt, and a slew of cousins, plus I met his so-called pals and they shared a great deal.

4. Correction: I need to correct one mistake on my part. I spoke with someone over the weekend and realized that Mac also sold insurance in Chico, and he probably did live there for a time after college, so that apartment might very well be him. I don’t believe he lived there long as selling insurance didn’t pull in enough income, and there weren’t other jobs to be had as it was a college town. Perhaps whoever told Morf about it has more information.

5. The car: Volvo! I remember Mac telling me about his Volvo, or maybe it was his dad’s; but yes, the family had a Volvo.

6. WEBSITE: Let me explain a few things. You keep talking about ‘Mac’s’ website, and how ‘Mac’ posted this link or that link. I’m not sure why you think everything on that site belonged to Mac, but it didn’t. WE owned the website. It was only registered in Mac’s name because way back (HAHA) then you couldn’t register a personal site using two names. At the suggestion of a trusted friend who was helping us get started, we used Mac’s name for safety. Info on domain registrations was public (no private at that time), and it was safer to use a man’s name as a woman’s. If you don’t understand, I’m not taking the time to explain. ;-)

So it was OUR website, but who created the pages? I did. Mac seldom cared what went up, and I’m not sure how often he even looked at it. Early on I took an online course in website design, and I used our site to create odd pages with homework assignments. I came away with a nice certificate, and from there I picked up some clients and maintained their web sites. I never went back and removed all the oddities, so you’ll find weird code and other things — plus a rather ugly web site. I never expected a bunch of folks digging into those pages looking for nefarious reasons for things.

THERE WASN’T ANYTHING WEIRD, HIDDEN, ‘ZODIACISH’ about the site. It contained no hidden clues. I know you have had questions about several things, but I can’t remember them all—however I’ll start with the links.

The links were all — ALL — put together by me. They pointed to things I liked, with one exception. I’ll explain that last.

The University of Chicago Press link led, at that time, to a page that showcased their reprinting/release of the entire ‘Judge Dee’ mystery series by Robert van Gulik. I had discovered these mysteries at the local library shortly after we got married and I really liked them. I went to the library one day and found them all gone. The library had had a book sale and had wiped out all of their mysteries. That led me to wander the used book stores looking for the ‘Judge Dee’ books, until one day I found a shiny new one at a Barnes & Noble and learned they were being reprinted. I was thrilled and began buying them. I still own the entire set. At the time the new books would sell out very quickly and I had other friends who loved mysteries, so I put up the link so they could find the information on the series that included release dates. That’s all it was—a link to the ‘Judge Dee’ mystery series. If it now takes you to something else, that’s on the Univ. of Chicago Press. It’s not related to the zodiac, nor did Mac ever ask me to put up that link, nor did he care. He didn’t read the books. I did.

Both Mysterybookstore.com & Cluelass.com were just what their title said. They were two of the best sites for mystery books ever, both used and new. Both favorite places of mine, not Mac’s mine.

The list of books by D. Mott Davidson was just that. She was a favorite author of mine, plus her books contained recipes—a great combo if you ask me.

Now let’s talk about the earthquake link. Oh good grief! At the time that linked to the USGS page that showed information for the town we lived in (y’all know where that was, so I’m not naming it). My family was all out of state, and they were curious about the local earthquakes. There was one family member in particular who worried every time there was anything in California. So, rather than having all of them calling my parents and us, I put up that link and they would check it to see if there was anything near our homes. It saved everyone’s nerves. The fact that it now links to something else is on the USGS. Who knew it would start this whole kerfuffle over a zodiac conspiracy? Honestly. Stop trying to find evil and conspiracy in everything. It’s simply not there.

I know there were other odd discussions about our web site, but I can’t remember them all. If you do, and want to ask, go ahead; but I’m telling you ahead of time none of it concerned the zodiac, nothing was a conspiracy, no evil intent or taunting. Y’all are making mountains out of molehills. You’re barking up the wrong tree. You have the wrong POI.

Someone posted (and I’ve lost the link)

No, this is incorrect. The apartment was part of the main building. If my memory is correct, Andy’s Realty was in the main building (623), and another business rented the small storefront at 623A. None of the storefronts became a tool shed, that was a detached building in the back area.

A reminder, you keep saying “Mac posted a link with coordinates…Zodiac…blah, blah, blah.” As I’ve stated, I, Me, Kimberly — not Mac — posted that link. Now, I have misunderstood what has so many of you in an uproar. What you are looking at aren’t coordinates. Apparently no one looked at the actual html code, but this is what it shows:

[a href= "http : //quake.wr.usgs .gov/recenteqs/Maps/122-38 . html] (I added spaces so that hopefully this doesn't get chopped by the board software)

The “122-38” was the page number (not coordinates) for the earthquake map for the Vacaville area—at the time I put the link up.

Just to reiterate: we never lived in McKinleyville, or the Eureka area as a whole.  We owned an empty lot there. Period. That was the only tie we had to that area. We also never lived in the Concord area either.

Correct, I was never inside the building. However, I heard stories and saw photos courtesy of my in-laws.

You’re correct. Memory does fade over time, and a lot of the so-called facts that you and others have drudged up are little things that I had no reason to remember without giving it a load of thought; and that’s why I spoke with someone over the weekend, and together we reasoned the Chico information. However, my small point does not a murderer make.

@Morf13, you keep saying that you are “someone that laid out lots of facts…” I have yet to see all these FACTS. You have innuendos, you and others have stretched out things I wrote without knowing me or my way of speaking/writing. You’ve also failed to fully research — something you claim to be really good at. If you had done due diligence, the whole issue of the “coordinates” wouldn’t have blown-up. You would have realized what it was and moved on. Instead, you helped make a mountain out of a molehill. You say “this is true”, but I’ve yet to see any solid paperwork, etc, to back up your statements.

As to the SF apartment: you’ve NOT proved it, just scrounged up information via some source that I can’t look at, and you don’t seem to want to share it with me, but you want me to share more and more information with you.

Mac’s fingerprints are on file, and any LE can get them to rule him out. Why haven’t they done so? Your so-called LE contact could have reached out to me, but he/she has yet to do so. Does this person really exist?

I do concede that you are entitled to your opinion, but was it really necessary to reveal the name of your POI way back when? Some folks here talk about justice for the victims, and if I was a family member of a victim I would want the same; but did you think about the innocent people whose lives you, and others, were destroying? It’s not just my heart and life that has been crushed and turned upside down, there’s the rest of my family. People who read this garbage on Facebook, Twitter, and sites like this. They call me, many in tears, over all of this. Their hearts are also crushed. You can’t turn back the clock and take back the moment you revealed Mac’s name, but you can stop stirring up the mess and let LE do their thing quietly.

I realize now that you are set on having me prove that Mac is innocent, but the responsibility lies with you to prove, really solidly prove, that he (or anyone) is guilty. That’s the law of this land. You’ll never be convinced, so I don’t see the point in being part of this discussion any longer. It’s pointless. If you have anything to say to me, you’ll have to send a note via Tom as I will no longer read PM’s here.

I said the Chico apartment could very well be Mac. That is the ONLY listing I referred to.

That's because he was fishing and had his pocketknife on the left side, and it was more important to be able to grab his pocketknife. He also wore his gun on his left side. FWIW, he seldom had the cell phone charged &/or on. Why did he wear it? I don't have a clue. LOL

You're welcome, Tom. Folks, I want to thank all of you who are standing up for me, I appreciate it beyond measure. However, it's time to stop defending me. I'm good. My heart is healing. My family is learning to take all of this in stride. So please -- everyone -- stop throwing insults, stop baiting each other, stop the name calling, and go about proving whatever you believe is the truth. Share it here, in a nice way, it's okay by me. I'll read it, or skip it. I may laugh (privately) at some of what is posted, I may feel the need to speak up, or I may simply keep on with my life. Lastly, grow up and stop picking on Tom. He doesn't deserve anything but respect and thanks from all of you.

All I can tell you is what Mac & his dad told me: Mac worked at hardware store in the Concord area. If you find someone that says otherwise, well you'll have to decide who has the better memory. FWIW, I know that some of my memories disagree with what Mac's so-called pals told you, and you've said maybe my memories have faded, well remember that those "pals" are all at least 5 years older than me and maybe their memories are foggy. Maybe they all talked and so when you got to pal #2, they repeated Information that pal #1 talked to them about. They might have told you they hadn't talked about this to each other, but are they totally reliable? At this point, I don't trust any of them any farther than I can spit. Whether you trust them or not is your choice.

PS: to @morf13 , the answer is that if LE contacts me, I'll speak with them. I have no reason not to do so. I won't contact them. It's their job to contact me. As to private investigators, absolutely NO. Regarding fingerprints LE should know, if not I'll share the information with them if asked, but I'm not providing more "stuff" for all of you. If you want to be investigators, then investigate.

I'm speaking of his former college roommates, and the men that stood up with him at our wedding. I call them "so-called pals" because early on in this thread when I read some of their comments (as relayed by @morf13 ) about Mac, it really hurt to realize what they thought of him. He always thought of them as good friends, but they never were--at least to me. Maybe I misunderstood what Morf posted, but just the fact that they talked with Morf, and shared private emails and memories, really told me all I needed to know.

Always with his left hand.

No. He was left handed. Period.

First: they spoke about Mac with you, knowing why you were asking the questions. If you had contacted Mac about one of them, he would have told you no comment and hung up the phone.

Second, and I don't have the patience to search, a few of them expressed surprised at being asked to stand up with him at our wedding, and didn't seem to really care. Maybe I'm reading more into it, but the first point is enough.

What property did he/we own in the vicinity of Lake Tahoe???

Yes.

It was a big hunk of land filled with trees, shrubs, weeds, poison oak, and probably wild life of various kinds. We'd check on it a couple of times each year, and eventually had to put up a fence with no trespassing signs.

Same reason a lot of people buy land, as an investment.

Seriously? I couldn't describe it to suit any of you, so I asked my one son who is good at this stuff and his reply was, "Pound sand."

Mac was never involved with the Lions Club.

Depended on the professor's requirement, so the answer is both handwritten and typed.

He was always good at tying knots.

You, and others, have asked over and over. I've answered once, if not more often. You'll have to search regarding Eureka property.

I don't know what property you are referring to "out closer to Lake Tahoe."

I have to be honest, I enjoyed my 4 days away from here. I have no new revelations. I can't think of any questions y'all could ask that would help you in any way, shape, or form. I've also spotted something that made me angry (see attached). So I'll check in here once a week. Otherwise I'm going to live my life without y'all being a part of it.

Asked and answered.

Okay. So much is now very clear to me. I was puzzled why you would refer to our Georgetown property as “out closer to Lake Tahoe.” Why not just ask why we owned property in Georgetown? I was curious enough to do some digging and discovered that there are suspicions that there was a zodiac killing near Lake Tahoe. So, @morf13  , apparently you want to tie Mac to that crime. Hence, instead of being direct and asking “why did you buy property in Georgetown?”, you asked about property “out closer to Lake Tahoe.” I’d say clever, but I find it despicable. This is what you, and others, have done from the beginning. Y’all (meaning 2 or more) twisted my words from my widow’s blog, and other places. You twist various events and other things to make them “facts” by your definition. Now you, @morf13 , are trying to put a spin on a piece of property. Good grief. Look at a Google map. I’ll make it easy and attached a screen capture. Yes, as the crow flies, Georgetown is only 81 miles from Lake Tahoe, but it’s not an easy drive. It’s a 2 hour drive on a twisty-turny road, and you can easily get caught due to weather, road work, accidents, etc. It’s a beautiful drive, and best enjoyed at a leisurely pace. So owning property in Georgetown doesn’t necessarily make it easy for someone to go to Lake Tahoe.

You once invited me to join your private board and I told you no, because I don’t trust you. My instincts are correct. You are not to be trusted. You also don’t think much of me or trust me, and I base that on comments you’ve made over and over (see one of the quotes below). I’m done with you, @morf13; and done with all of this. Both of my sons have told me over and over to give up defending Mac, reminding me that those of us who actually knew the man, know the truth; and those who never knew the man aren’t worth the time and effort of all of this. Both sons told me to once again sign off with “POUND SAND”, but that’s not me. So farewell. I’ll be praying for all of you.

From Kimberly:

"Mac didn't have asthma when we met/married. It was years later before it showed up"